Wednesday, 10 June 2009

Cost of Living in Buenos Aires, Argentina

UPDATED JANUARY 2013

People are always asking me "What's the cost of living over there?" - The answer depends on whether you're living 'La Vida Loca' expat life or trying to blend in as a local or something in between. Our goal coming down here was to use BA as a base from which to travel and that has worked out very well. Here are my observations on cost of living here. If you disagree pls let me know and if you have other ideas or questions on prices, post a comment here (anonymous if you like) and I'll do my best to find out.

Note: According to the government here, inflation is running at below 10% but independent estimates calculate it is more than 30%

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UPDATED JANUARY 2013



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203 comments:

Anonymous,  November 10, 2008 9:22 pm  

Well, my friend, you show on the list some stuff that you can live without.
If you want all the luxuries, think it twice.
Or try to smoke one package cigarretttes (7 pesos? they are 4.4. pesos now)

Quickroute November 10, 2008 9:39 pm  

@ Anony: LOL - I don't use all this stuff my self - just showing what it costs - can you spare a coin ?

livinginpatagonia.com November 10, 2008 9:48 pm  

Except for internet, seems prices are pretty similar here in Bariloche.
Anyone earning dollars, euros or pounds that doesn't think the cost is cheap is smoking the kindie!

Megan November 10, 2008 9:53 pm  

How do you trick the landlord into the local rent instead of the tourist rent? :)

Quickroute November 10, 2008 9:57 pm  

@ Megan: Not that easy - I had to marry a local to achieve that one - Drastic times call for drastic measures!

Nick November 11, 2008 3:50 am  

The prices don't seem too bad compared with here. The real question is what you can afford from your earnings and how fast the prices are rising. Our oil and petrol prices are dropping, but many NHS dentists are going private so anybody stuck without the NHS has to fork out.

Baino November 11, 2008 4:55 am  

That's it. When I stay at one of "Living in Patagonia's" Bungalows I'm sneaking in as an alien. The phone's expensive but everything else seems really cheap. Housing's cheap . . food's cheap . . .cinema's about the same . .Are you sure you pay so little for utilities? If so, that's the problem. How will we encourage the planet to be tight with energy when you get electricity for a song! Are you sure, you only pay 30 pesos a month for electricity? Shit, my bill is 186 US a month and believe me, that's low, I'm not a wastrel (no dishwasher, dryer, 2 of us using hot water, 1 TV, no heating except for 3 months in winter and no aircon in summer) Of course water here is getting more pricey because there's less of it. Seriously? Your cost of living is lower than a snakes belly! Even your petrol is cheap. Don't cry for me Argentina . . I'm saving my fare!

Miles McClagan November 11, 2008 5:28 am  

All I want to go to Argentina for is to see my team - Gimnasia De La Plata - play one game, and see if I survive - apparently we're a bit mental...still, seems fun! More energy than St Mirren...

Juan November 11, 2008 7:21 am  

You forgot about the aspirins. You are gonna need them, for sure, if you happen to buy Quilmes and those national liquors (euwwwwwww!!)
Nice research though (gas/petrol prices are a little higher though: Diesel is about 2,50 right now)

narfette November 11, 2008 11:50 am  

I´m a French expat living in BsAs, and I find some of your prices are off, both in Argentina and in Europe (are you comparing most expensive you can find in Buenos Aires to least expensive in France? You can barely get anything in Paris for 460 euros a month!)

1,500 a month for a local for a one bedroom? Is this a Recoleta price?
I know that you can get a 3 bedroom with gas, water and electricity included for 1,500 in Balvanera.

I live in Palermo, squashed near the tracks, and I pay 800 a month for a 2 bedroom. Mind you, the rent is still low because we´ve had the lease for 5 years, so we´re still paying cheaper than everyone else.

You also seem to be putting the more expensive brands first for cigarettes - you can pick up a hardpack of NEXT for 3 pesos, and they´re not that bad. You can get a 1.275 litre bottle of table wine (Viejo Solar) for anywhere between 4 pesos and 7 depending on the barrio. You can get Palermo for 2,80 which is much better than Quilmes, although the Bock or Rubio varieties are much better than the normal Cristal.

And really, you can get a decent cup of coffee and 3 medialunas on Rivadavia a few blocks before Congreso for a mere 5,50.

Tips for cheaper living?
Go to Liniers market, you can get 30 eggs for 7 pesos. Go to Abasto to pick up your fruits and veggies, you have a wider selection and it´s cheaper. You can find some decent cuts of beef that aren´t bife de lomo or bife de chorizo at your carnicerias. Market stalls in little known neighbourhoods are usually a lot better than Coto, and the products are of much better quality.

nelson tempNWname November 11, 2008 12:36 pm  

Thanks for this information. As a previous comments indicates, the other side of the coin is how fast prices are rising. How much more expensive are things now than one year ago -- or two, or three? Another chart would be great, though no doubt a lot of trouble.

David,  November 11, 2008 12:39 pm  

Is it possible to get an apartment at the local price if you are on a tourist visa? As a tourist I wouldn't be able to have a guarantia, but can you just offer to pay a few months ahead or something to get the local rate?

Quickroute November 11, 2008 2:21 pm  

@ Living: oops missed u there. so you're paying more or less for internet? - Agreed it's pretty cheap but now just need to figure out how to earn the foreign currency

@ Nick: That's the key alright - local wages here are not so good

@ Baino: Yeah electricity and gas etc are cheap here. We didn't have AC in the old place but do now so it'll go up a bit.
Come on down!

@ Miles: Welcome & thanks for dropping by here. They are a rough bunch for sure but with your Scottish hertitage - you'll fir right in ;-)

@ Juan: Welcome & thanks for visiting. Good idea on the aspirins - better buy a jumbo box. I just checked YPF and diesel is A$1.96

@ Narfette:I'll respond separately just after this

@ Nelson:Welcome & thanks for dropping by here. Take 30% off these prices to see what it was like a year ago - see this link Inflation stats

@ David:Yes - technically you are supposed to have a guarantor who owns property to get the local rate but some landlords will agree if you pay 6-12 months up front

Quickroute November 11, 2008 2:23 pm  

@ Narfette: Welcome & thanks for dropping by here with some great tips.

This price list is for BA only. The other columns show the equivalent Arg peso price in US$, euros, pounds (simple FX calc)so folks don't have to do the math!

The prices listed are the average and not the cheapest.

I've had some other feedback on the rent and have adjusted accordingly but it will still be higher than your quotes as I am assuming modern spacious building in good / central safe area.

Wow 800 a month - I imagine that will be changing significantly when your 5 year lease is up.

Adjusted the cigarettes too - I'm going with average not cheapest - thnx

I'm not a big fan of Viejo Solar. I know there are wines cheaper than 10 pesos but most are either like grape juice or vinegar or a mix but I know the French love their wine so I'm prepared to do some more experimenting in the name of science!

I agree Palermo is better than Quilmes but is still way too mild a flavour for this Irish beer guzzler!

yes there are a few places you can get coffee and media lunas for 5:50 but 7 is the average.

Thanks for the other tips - i'll be trying those out for sure

gaudiumdegaea November 11, 2008 10:55 pm  

I would luuuuurve to visit BA one day!
Prices seem to be reasonable compared to all other places I have been to.
Food is VERY EXPENSIVE in Ireland I found. Coming back to Oz we ate out a lot the first few weeks.

Thriftcriminal November 12, 2008 3:14 am  

So, I need teleportation to be invented so I can earn in Ireland and spend in Argentina. And watch "Hot Chick TV" in Argentina, obviously.

conortje November 12, 2008 6:25 am  

booze seems particularly cheap - always the sign of a civilised country :-)

The Book Cellar, Buenos Aires November 12, 2008 7:54 am  

I would these comments to turn into "where is it cheaper"... i am on the local wage and a hard hustler for every centavo (luckily the wife is well paid!)

A tip on the tobacco front - cerritos tobacco (from uruguay) comes in at $8pesos for 45g, the imported papers are expensive, but crappy local equivalents are available - i even found filters - $7.50 for 150 - imported of course... being a hater of tailor made cigarettes i am very happy with my uruguayan tobacco!

Quickroute November 12, 2008 1:43 pm  

@ Guadium: Most stuff is cheap compared to EU or USA except for electronics

@ Thrifty: If Padre Pio could do it - I'm sure you can!

@ Conortje: civilised and lethargic tend to go hand in hand

@ Book Cellar: Welcome - So yer missus brings home the dosh - lucky man - Good tips for the other readers on the tobaco (I'm off the smokes now for 10 years)

Broke But Still Drinking November 12, 2008 5:46 pm  

How far will 550 bucks get me? Seriously, could I start a new life?

Nomadic Matt November 13, 2008 7:28 am  

it looks cheap but my question is what is the salary like. 6 bucks for a movie is great but not if your only making 6 bucks an hour...

Quickroute November 13, 2008 9:18 am  

@Matt: - thats the problem - salaries are not very good - check the teaching English rates on the chart

iWalk November 13, 2008 10:34 pm  

It seems the cost of watching a movie at Buenos Aires is cheaper than in GuangZhou, We would cost 70-120 RMB to watch a movie at cinema. That's 10-17USD.

Quickroute November 14, 2008 7:30 pm  

@iWalk: that's something I definitely didn't expect - how do the locals afford it?

livinginpatagonia.com November 14, 2008 7:42 pm  

QR,
Our interent with Speedy is a bit more, and the service is not diez puntos.
Suerte, Jamie

miss tango November 19, 2008 10:08 am  

The cost of renting varies greatly, and it has really really jacked up over the last 3 years.

Seems as though for a 2 room apartment is going for 1100 pesos.
We just looked at the 3 room apartment next to us and it is going for 1500 1st year 1700 2nd year, and that is before expenses 230 then municipal taxes. It was a total dump as well in a "uppity" (for Urquiza) neighbourhood.
Anyways I will be writing about the dramaz of renting in the next day or so.

Quickroute November 19, 2008 2:46 pm  

@ Living: Speedy can be a bit patchy alright and I hear DSL is not great outside large cities

@ Miss Tango: Quality and price does indeed tend to vary greatly so it pays to shop around with a local if possible

ProStock January 03, 2009 10:03 pm  

What is the average monthly wage for a local in Argentina? I heard professionals don't earn very much when compared to North America and Europe.

Quickroute January 04, 2009 2:00 pm  

@ ProStock: A good office job for an experienced Finance or IT person pays about u$d 3,000 per month so not on a par with EU or USA

Liz January 05, 2009 9:01 pm  
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Liz January 05, 2009 9:03 pm  

Hi, thanks for all the info. I'm hoping to come to BA in Jan '10 and teach English there. I have two children who would come with me (ages 8 and 11 at that time).

Can you tell me if the typical wages an ESOL teacher earns in BA will cover the cost of living for a mom and her two kids? Thanks much!

Quickroute January 05, 2009 10:05 pm  

@Liz: Welcome - My wife is an ESL teacher and earns 30 pesos an hour which is at the upper end of the pay scale for a teacher here.

That is not enough to support 2 kids unless you have another income or can stay with friends / relatives.

Best of luck!

Anonymous,  February 26, 2009 4:14 pm  

I was hoping to go to BA in May... I found an apartment in Palermo Soho for 1500/month. It is a furnished, one bedroom with a living-dining room area and a balcony with a view of the city. Amenities include a rooftop lounge, solarium, grill, swimming pool, sauna, gym and laundry. Has AC, internet access etc.

My question is... is it worth the price?

Quickroute February 26, 2009 9:37 pm  

@ Anony: if 1500 = Arg $ pesos then it's worth it but i suspect it's u$d in which case it's expensive but sounds like a nice place - I think you could save money elsewhere

Dee,  March 31, 2009 1:23 am  

Thanks for all the information!

I'm hoping to travel to BA sometime in the next couple of years.

My question is: Is the cost of stuff like clothes and shoes, sheets and towels, cheap? Or should I bring as much as the carrier's baggage allowance would allow?

Quickroute April 03, 2009 9:06 am  

@ Dee: apologies for the delay - I thought I had answered this question.

With the exception of leather goods (which are cheap) clothes and linen are similar prices as in USA or Europe Hope this helps.

Anonymous,  April 17, 2009 5:39 am  

Thanks for great information!

Me and my boyfriend are coming to BA this june...and after rent we have about 785 USD to live on. Do you think we will manage? We don't smoke, and like to make food ourselves.

And, we have an offer for an apartment: 900 USD a month (5 month contract), everything included. 2 bedrooms, good standard and on the border between Palermo and Belgrano. Is this an ok price?

Quickroute April 17, 2009 1:07 pm  

@ Anony: 785 USD should be enough if you are cooking are home and not traveling too much.

900 USD for a 2 bedroom in that area is ok - if you want to save some money I would recommend San Telmo which has plenty of attractions and more cultural offerings

KATHLEEN May 24, 2009 2:57 am  

Hi! I will be a student at U Belgrano from July till December. I have elected to find my own housing, and after emailing a few people, it looks like I can live with two other Argentinean students for $330 USD, utilities included in the Belgrano bario. Is this for real? After looking at a lot of "cost of living" sites, it seems like it might be a scam, or maybe I am not realizing all the details and costs. Also, do you have any budget statistics for a student? I would like to be as frugal as possible, but this is really the first budget I have ever made, so I'm having a bit of difficulty trying to accurately estimate the amount of groceries, transportation, etc. that I will be using monthly.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! And thanks for all the information. This is the best collection I've seen.

Quickroute May 24, 2009 7:38 am  

@ Kathleen: For a shared apt that sounds about ok but I would request pics of the accomo before committing.

Questions to ask e.g. How old is the building - access to roof or pool? etc

Are you signing a lease? Are you paying money upfront?

You might be better off renting a place for a month and finding your feet where you can see the places first hand rather then commit from a distance.

In terms of a students budget - you can live cheaply if you cook at home and avoid the tourist traps.


Otherwise the cost of living data published above applies.

Hope this helps

KATHLEEN May 25, 2009 6:48 pm  

Thank you for your advice, especially about finding my feet before I commit.

Another question though, can you give me an example of a tourist trap that i should avoid?

Thanks again,
Kathleen

Quickroute May 25, 2009 7:38 pm  

@ Kathleen: Tourist traps to avoid include:

Overpriced restaurants in Recoleta and Palermo (ask the locals to recommend a good reasonable restaurant which will be a fraction of the cost)

Always get a 'Radio' Taxi i.e. one which has a telephone number on the top or side - more trustworthy

The shops on Florida especially for leather goods are overpriced - head to the shopping malls outside the microcenter instead

Use the same diligence you would apply to any big city

Gareth June 04, 2009 12:42 pm  

God I miss BA...the prices, I once got a steal, egg, chips and wine for 6 pesos (£1)!!! (Palermo soho community restuarant.

Check my link if you are looking for long term cheap accomodation.

Billy,  August 02, 2009 9:08 am  

Hi Kathleen!, I've spend a great time last year in Buenos Aires, I'd rented a furnished apartment in Belgrano. I suggest that service called ForRent Argentina: Buenos Aires apartments For Rent

Good Luck!
Billy

Cost of Living Argentina August 07, 2009 5:09 am  

Thanks for the comprehensive data on Cost of Living Argentina

Tom August 12, 2009 2:24 am  

My friend and I are planning on traveling to BsAs on tourist visas and winging (sort've) it from there. Does this sound like a bad idea? Our idea was to stay in a hostel the first week and then find an apartment for 3 months. I would like to try to find an apartment before we arrive though. Any suggestions on where to look to find an apartment while not being there? We'd like to find something a 2 bedroom for around $800-1000(usd) in a cool area. Think that will be a problem and any suggestions for good areas?

Quickroute August 12, 2009 2:42 am  

@ Tom:

Tourist visa is fine and you can extend it every 90 days by doing a day trip to Colonia, Uruguay.

I don't recommend renting before you arrive. Stay in a hostel or cheap hotel for a week or so and then check online agencies and walk in real estate agencies.

$800-1000(usd) will get you a really nice place but make sure you shop around.

I recommend San Telmo as it has a more authentic feel to it - bars, restaurants. A lot of the nightlife is based around Palermo but not much happening during the day

Best of luck

artemismaximus September 02, 2009 8:02 pm  

I'm doing exactly what Tom is doing (and following your advice) but I'm looking at a shared apt since that seems like an easy way to meet people and hit the ground running, socially at least. The info on this site has been invaluable, merci merci merci!!

artemismaximus September 02, 2009 8:12 pm  

I'm doing what Tom's doing, but staying in shared housing so I hit the ground running, socially at least. The info you've provided has been the most useful thing on the web aside from Craigslist!!! Merci merci merci!

Vaibhav September 02, 2009 8:37 pm  

Hi
I am moving to Argentina from Us , CAn you please tell me the avg salary for software engg over there?

Vaibhav September 03, 2009 6:45 pm  

Hi can you plz tell me avg salaray in argentina in peso

Quickroute September 07, 2009 12:35 am  

@artemismaximus: Glad the info was useful

@Vaibhav: The software engineer salary would vary with experience but approx 5000 pesos a month for junior to 10,000 pesos for very senior

Anonymous,  September 16, 2009 1:23 am  

Thank you

Denise,  October 10, 2009 10:06 pm  

Hi,
Thanks for sharing these infos with us.
I'm brazilian, living in NY. I'm planning to move with my husband next year to BA.
I'm looking for informations about celphone, internet bills, water, energy, etc.
I've tried to access the website Speedy.com but it isn't from Argentina.
Do you think 4.000 pesos per month is enough for a couple?
This was the best price list I found on internet.
Thanks,
Denise

Quickroute October 13, 2009 11:06 pm  

@ Denise: Try http://www.speedy.com.ar for DSL internet prices and http://fibertel.com.ar/ for cable internet and TV prices.

I listed water and energy prices in the table above.

Cellphone varies widely depending on whether you use pay as you go or a monthly contract

Hope this helps

Denise,  October 14, 2009 5:43 pm  

Thanks a lot!!

hypo November 04, 2009 11:34 pm  

I'm about to graduate with an economics degree. I have a decent Spanish language foundation but am not fluent. I'm thinking about heading to BA after I graduate to develop my Spanish and gain Latin American experience. Is it reasonable to think I may be able to land a job in business with these qualifications?

Quickroute November 04, 2009 11:50 pm  

@hypo: Landing a job may not be easy without work experience. You might be able to do an intern ship but that won't pay much.

I still think you should go and try however as you will have a great experience with or without work

hypo November 05, 2009 12:22 am  

Thanks for the immediate response!

What about a job teaching English or something else to generate income? I would be willing to stay a long time without landing a business job as long as I was earning enough to cover living expenses. Gaining fluency is my number one objective, while landing a career oriented job is secondary.

My revised question is this: Is it feasible to generate enough income to sustain life in Buenos Aires off of my previously mentioned qualifications?

Quickroute November 05, 2009 12:30 am  

You could probably get a teaching English alright (a TESOL certificate would be useful) but the pay would be borderline to sustaining you (see comments re: teaching above. You would need to have other income e.g. savings to be comfortable but the cost of living is relatively cheap if you are thrifty. If you don't have savings then it's not going to be feasible in my opinion.

Franklin Quinten,  December 05, 2009 12:19 am  

A few questions for anyone who happens to be reading this and is in BA….Have prices changed that much over the past 6 months? What’s the price range of a decent 1 Bedroom apartment in San Telmo (decent being not depressing but not luxurious). For say month to month on a 6 month lease? What’s the best website to check out rentals?

Quickroute December 05, 2009 4:53 am  

@ Frank: prices have increased approx 10% - inflation
decent 1 bed u$d500+ month to month or u$d400 long let - note leases are typically for local residents only requiring guarantor who owns property or tourist who is prepared to pay 6 months in advance.
I don't recommend rental websites - read comments above as to why

cheers

Rachel December 19, 2009 7:15 pm  

Are you saying 2000 PESOS for a 1 BR apt in a good area?? Where? Most 1 BR apts I've seen start (furnished, short-term) start at 700 USD and go up from there. (I'm talking about the main areas in Cap Fed).

Sure, a non-furnished, long-term is a lot cheaper but you need a) gurantia and b) to furnish it (which also isn't cheap).

Quickroute December 20, 2009 3:11 am  

@ Rachel: Try a non touristy area e.g. Caballito - avoid Palermo and Belgrano

It's best to pop into the real estate agents in person

Also you can usually avoid the need for a guarantia if you pay 6 months up front

You can buy funiture very cheaply in Tigre and arrange a flete van to deliver

James December 25, 2009 6:34 pm  

Hello everyone, I’m hoping to go to BA in March 2010 and stay there for at least 6 months. My aim is to take a TEFL course there and teach English. I'd like to rent or share nothing more than an average apartment in either Palermo or Belgrano. How much rent would I be looking at and in anyone's experience would the money from teaching English pay for rent, food/drink and the average entertainment?

Quickroute December 25, 2009 8:48 pm  

@ James: You should be able to find a flat share for approx u$d250 in Palermo or San Telmo. Belgrnao is one of the most exclusive areas in Buenos Aires so I don't think you'll get much value there.

As I've mentioned in the comments above - Teaching will not support you - at best it will supplement your outgoings so you will need savings or another source of income

James December 26, 2009 3:48 pm  

Thanks for the reply, i'm sure i'll be asking for some more advice between now and departure.

Nathan January 12, 2010 8:58 am  

I plan on attending school for a Masters Degree next year either in BA or Mendoza. I am having a hell of a time finding information on the schools that is useful to a foreigner looking to apply. Do you know of a way to get my foot into the door with a contact at the universities?

Quickroute January 12, 2010 10:14 am  

@ Nathan: I don't have specific contacts but You will need to compile a list of email addresses and tel #'s from the unis you want to contact and then email and follow up with a call - in Spanish obviously - lack of response is unfortunately common so be persistent and don't take 'no' for an answer

Anonymous,  January 20, 2010 11:40 pm  

Hi,

We plan to move from India to BA on a company posting.
We assume we would need Private schooling (English Education) for our two girls 10 and 5 yrs. Schools that follow a curriculum ofr IB, IGCSE or Cambridge

What are costs in good enough private school? In what areas are these?

Approx c rentals of 3 bed room apartment

Costs of house help- is it by hour or live-in help?

Quickroute January 21, 2010 12:18 am  

@ Anony: Private English schooling is expensive at u$d10K- u$d15K

google Lincoln international school and check there fees link

For an apt refer to chart in original post and ad 20% per extra bedroom

House help could be by hour u$d15 or live in uSd500-u$d800 per month

Anonymous,  January 24, 2010 4:42 am  

I am planning on moving to BsAs for a year to learn Spanish and get away from the States for awhile. I was hoping to buy a 1 bedroom apt for my stay, and then rent it out after I come back.

I have been working hard and have about 80k saved up. Is this enough to purchase a decent sized 1 bedroom apartment in the heart of the city? Or would I have to save up some more? It seems like renting in BsAs is really expensive but buying a place is relatively cheap. I've been looking for apartments online, and all I see is furnished ones that go for insane month-to-month prices.

From the comments posted and above and elsewhere, it seems like Recoleta and most of Palermo is really touristy, so anyone with experience in BsAs have any input? Where would you buy if you were me?

From what I gather on this site, I could easily cover my living expenses, so I'm not too worried about that.

Thanks in advance for all your help. This site is an amazing resource.

Quickroute January 24, 2010 4:55 am  

@ Anony: u$d80K will easily get you good 1 br apartment in a good area. I would recommend San Telmo area because it's not as expensive and touristy as Recoleta or Palermo but it is still popular with tourists so you will be able to rent to tourists if you wish.

In Argentina - real estate purchases are typically done in cash in u$d so you will need to bring the money into the country in person or have it wired which gets a bit complicated.

You will need to find a trustworthy real estate agent who can help organize the transaction so do your homework and look before you leap - 'Caveat Emptor' and all that jazz

Anonymous,  January 25, 2010 1:05 am  

Great. I'm glad my money can get me the apartment I'm looking for. From looking at examples of apartments on the internet, it seems like quality really varies. I'm looking forward to a small scouting trip down there sometime in March to really check it out. I'm a chef by trade and I need a place with a decent sized kitchen.

I wonder if you know off-hand a price/sq meter estimate for San Telmo? And what, pray tell, are those little bathtub/toilet hybrids I see in bathrooms there? Haven't seen those in the States!

Quickroute January 25, 2010 1:15 am  

@ Anony: I don't have those details to hand and it would vary depending on the age of the building and facilities being offered. I know a local who bought a 7 year old, 500 sq ft 1 br apt for u$d50K 1 year ago in San Telmo

The item you refer to is a bidet. Quite common in continental Europe and used to clean ones .....perhaps you should just google - lol

Anonymous,  January 25, 2010 1:32 am  

I just googled it. Wow. Part of me feels dirty and uncivilized for not using this bathroom extra to stay extra clean, but part of me thinks I'd feel dirty FOR using one. Especially in a public bathroom. lol

Again, thanks for the info. $100 a square foot is really cheap to live in a big city, even if I do have to factor in a "non-local" premium into the total price.

Quickroute January 25, 2010 1:39 am  

@ Anony: Yes - I think I used one once out of curiosity and that was enough.

The price will certainly be higher due to non local premium and inflation but still far cheaper than elsewhere and well within your budget

Anonymous,  January 29, 2010 11:07 pm  

I am planning to travel to Argentina in April and I want to know if it's more dangerous than the last time I was there in 2002? Someone said to me that in B.A. you have to be more carefull where you're travelling. Also what's the price down there for say, a 10 mp digital camera or a 3.oz bottle of Chanel 5 perfume?
thanks, rudy

Quickroute January 30, 2010 3:19 am  

Anony: It's about the same. Petty crime (muggings, theft etc)is an issue in Argentina and particularly BA.

For the most part you can avoid being a victim by taking common sense precautions. Don't carry valuable items with you i.e. a lot of cash or jewellery. Keep items of value out of sight e.g. cameras and be aware but don'r be paranoid either.

There is a 50% tax on imported electronics so add 50% to the price you would pay at home

Perfume cost about the same as the US

Anonymous,  January 31, 2010 2:02 pm  

@Quickroute,
I want to know if you send things through the mail, eg. gifts or letters, packages, etc. does the Argentine Postal service or Customs open every box or package entering the country and or is the Argentine Postal and Customs Dept. reliable as far as stolen or missing items go? I would like to send my relatives small electronic items like mp3's or cameras since they are so expensive there.
Thanks again,
Rudy

Quickroute January 31, 2010 7:11 pm  

@ Rudy: Packages will most likely be opened and duty will be payable on electronics. Locals don't trust the postal service a great deal although I have never had anything go 'missing'. Efficiency is another matter (see 'Going Postal' under popular posts link top left

Anonymous,  February 01, 2010 9:20 am  

We are a couple with 2 kids moving to BA.

International Schooling for kids is paid for by the company. Besides that is 7000 pesos good enough for a comfortbale life there? Incl rent, some travel, weeeknd entertainment and extra curriculars for kids for e.g music lessons?

Thanks in advance.

Quickroute February 01, 2010 9:31 am  

@ Anony: You'll need to provide more info e.g. expected class of accomodation, expected location, expected expenditures i.e. eat in / eat out etc etc - but pls reference the supplied cost of living table in the post first before posting - thnx

Anonymous,  February 01, 2010 8:28 pm  

Hi Quickroute, this is the couple with 7K pesos!

I did refer your table - very helpful.

Accomodation ideal would be 1500 sqft 3 bed apartment - possibly in a large apartment block that has some facilities for a family to use, play area for kids. Apartment would be in area close to Good international school with envirnment good for kids socializing and family life.

Do we get aprtment semi furnished- with some furniture, kitchen set up with micro-diswash-fridge? is this a better option to choose or an empty place that we do up? What are cost implications?

We will cook at home, do regular supermarket shopping, possibly eat out twice a week in local joints nothing fancy.We dont consume alcohol.

Do we need a car esp if we wish to travel outside city into the country side for weekends or go around the country in the two years we are there? In the city can one manage without a vehicle... for e.g kids need to go to school, shopping for groceries etc?

Quickroute February 01, 2010 9:34 pm  

You are going to be struggling a bit with just arg$7K. It's doable but you'll have to live lean or live like a local. It would be wise to have savings as a backup.

Accommodation is typically unfurnished except for an oven so you will need to kit the place out. You can buy cheap basic furniture (e.g. virgin wood)in Tigre outside city limits and have it delivered by a flete (van). A queen size bed will cost u$d300 - A fridge u$d350 so it all adds up.

Public transport is good and cheap - no need for a car if you live close to the school. Most supermarkets offer free delivery or will send a guy to push your trolley back to your apt.

what's the job if you don't mind me asking?

Anonymous,  February 01, 2010 10:45 pm  

Hey Thanks. Seems from the checks I've run on the net and ur site that the big expense is going to be rent and education. We get a fixed sum per month based on a per diem rate(approx 1800 USD) and salary gets paid back home in India.

Thanks for the tips on furniture and yes living near school is a great idea.

Hubby in a software job with a multinational, plan to be there about 18 mths-2 yrs. I will be on a dependent visa- am a psychotherapist and corporate Coach...wonder what scope I have to use my skills.

We're still working things out with the company so may bother you with more questions.

Quickroute February 01, 2010 11:36 pm  

ok - I highly recommend you sign up for a few of the BA forums - you'll find links on the left margin here under Blogroll - Useful Resources for B.A.

BA Expats
BA Newcomers

are 2 good ones with a lot of info and helpful folks

they have info on housing / schools etc

feel free to ask more Q's here too

Anonymous,  March 16, 2010 11:11 am  

Hi. thanks for the site. Just a question... what is the average wage of a local person in Argentina? I can't seem to find that info anywhere on the site.

Another question, is are there any buskers in Buenos Aires, and if so, what is considered a reasonable (ie. not too stingy and not too generous) donation to give to a busker?

Those answers helps me put the cost of living into perspective. Thanks.

Quickroute March 16, 2010 11:26 am  

@Anony: You'll need to be a bit more specific as wage for what profession? e.g. a shops assistant or a doctor?

Busking is not that common - a tip would be 1 peso but due to coin shortages that is also not common

frantoo,  March 18, 2010 10:26 pm  

I was looking up Patagonia as a "dream" location and ran across your site. I've been here for two hours just totally fascinated. You have done such a wonderful job explaining the cost of living and how gracious of you to answer all these questions. I don't have one, just wanted to say thanks. You're fulfilling a definite need and are very good at it. May I ask what is your occupation? Thanks again. Bright Blessings, frantoo

Quickroute March 19, 2010 5:50 am  

@ Frantoo: Thanks - I'm a techie by trade

Rudy Filippetto,  March 19, 2010 11:09 pm  

Hello Quickroute, thanks again for helping people. I would like to know if I travel to Argentina this November can I bring an electric guitar for a relative in Argentina? Will it cost a lot of money at customs?

Quickroute March 19, 2010 11:47 pm  

@ Rudy: Typically luxury goods e.g. TV's can have 50% customs tax payable but advise you just carry the guitar in an old case and if asked say the guitar is yours. No duty required. It's pretty common practice to do this.

Anonymous,  April 11, 2010 4:45 pm  

Hi there,
Thanks for all your efforts - This site is awesome! ( & guidebooks can only get you so far...). I just moved here and want to buy a television - ouch! The cost of electronics is unbelievable. Any ideas where any outlet/discount stores might be? or, perhaps second hand?
Cheers
Georgina

Quickroute April 11, 2010 9:40 pm  

@ Anony: Yeah they are very expensive alright - Your best bet would be to post on one of the expat forums (listed at bottom of 'BlogRoll' link in left margin here) - likely that expats come and go and want to off load there stuff

benny liverpool,  May 17, 2010 3:59 pm  

thanks for the link mate. I think its good to know how much everything is Buenos aires. I'm thinking about heading there soon. More than I expected in some instances. Still beats living in liverpool i reckon!!

MM,  June 13, 2010 4:26 pm  

I'm planning on spending this Spring in Argentina; my goal is to learn Spanish and live in a foreign culture for a while. I don't plan to live like a tourist; this isn't a vacation: it's a learning experience(Besides, if I wanted to hang out with tourists, I can do that in America).

All I need, is a roof over my head, a bed, stove, fridge, internet and running water; I don't need a maid, mints on my pillow etc. But, I do want to see stuff like the Falls and Antarctica.

I have several questions.

I've got about $6000USD for the trip; is that enough(I don't want to spend it all; save it for the next trip!!!)?

Recommend a reasonable Hostel?

What are the safe, but non-touristy, non-expensive neighborhoods that have your average Bs.As. residents in which I could rent a furnished apartment for around $500USD a month (no way am I paying $1,200USD a month, that's just nuts)?

Do they sell bicycles and how much are they?

Quickroute June 15, 2010 11:56 pm  

@ MM: u$d6K is not a lot but could be enough if you live thrifty. You will most likely not have a place to yourself for u$d500 per month but may get a room in an apt i.e. shared kitchen etc. this is your best option if you want internet as this requires a lot of paperwork. Caballito is a good non touristy area but safe and good transport links. You should be able to ask around for a second hand bike. Hostels come and go so just ask around.

MM,  June 19, 2010 3:06 am  

Well, Quickroute, you do have me a bit worried; perhaps I'll be starting my own blog titled, "Homeless in Buenos Aires".

Is housing that expensive? From what I've read on the internet and word of mouth (a coworker travels to BA all the time and her friend rents a good apartment for $400USD a month); why would $500 for a shared place be there? About $500 it what you pay for a shared apartment here in Los Angeles.

I do want a "Shared" apartment, especially with a lot of Argentinians. But, being from LA, I trust no one.

How thrifty is "Thrifty"? In America, I live pretty thrifty by American standards: no car payments, no credit card debt, I only buy stuff that I need and only when it's on sale. I spend no more than $25USD per week on food: I pay no more than $2 per meat for dinner and only buy the vegetables that are on sale. If it's not on sale, I don't buy. Seriously, I spend no more than $30USD a day to live.

Bs.As. isn't a vacation for me; I can vacation here.

Quickroute June 22, 2010 10:55 pm  

@ MM: you should be able to get your co-worker to hook you up with a local who won't rip you off for rent. There is a two tier pricing systems for tourists VS locals with tourists getting a raw deal most of the time.

Sounds like you already live thrifty (fair play to you!) so you will be fine

MM,  July 01, 2010 12:32 am  

How does renting work?

Do I pay up front or do I have to sign an agreement?

Say I give him $500 for a month and a week later, he comes by asking for another $500 stating that's only for a week. What could I do then?

MM,  July 02, 2010 3:11 am  

Also, is it safe to drink the water?

I've heard it's safe; as long as you don't drink too much...?

Quickroute July 03, 2010 5:44 pm  

@MM: Always get the agreement in writing - water is ok to drink but doesn't taste great

Will,  July 29, 2010 7:14 pm  

Quickroute.

Thanks for this website! You are providing an invaluable resource!!

A couple questions.

1) I am going to be drawing a cut of my business profits per month totalling around 6,000 ArGPesos/mo but requires little to no time of mine at all so I can pick up the odd job teaching English or waiting tables or what have you for spending money. I was wondering if I would be better served in Bs As or in a city like Rosario? Considering prices.
I speak intermediate Spanish and am a 24 yr old male, I'm guessing Bs As would have a more active lifestyle.


2) Also, one requirement of my business is that I do need a fast internet connection. What is the best I could get in the city and what would the price be?


Thanks again :)

-Will

Will,  July 29, 2010 7:16 pm  

** Sub the word "nightlife" for "lifestyle" :)

12 hour days at work... Lovely :)

Quickroute July 29, 2010 8:24 pm  

@ Will: Rosario is a pleasant but small city. BA will serve you better in terms of "lifestyle". You will make max u$d10 per hour teaching English unless you are teaching to business people and half that waiting tables so forget that.

5mb is about as fast as you can get which will cost you 100 pesos per month (speedy.com.ar)

Nico,  August 03, 2010 4:44 pm  

Your blog is really helpful, more so than most other expat blogs...thanks for the comprehensive analysis of living expenses. But I'm planning on moving there in one year and I currently work in a non-profit HIV prevention program, I also speak spanish, french and portuguese. In your opinion, do you think it would be difficult for me to find a job and what kind of salary do you think a non-profit job would pay??

Quickroute August 08, 2010 11:28 pm  

@ Nico: The fact you speak the lingo will be a huge help in finding a job but you won't be earning a lot - tHIS IS A BIT OF A GUESS BUT i'D SAY expect 10-20 U$D per hour

verabela August 12, 2010 1:09 pm  
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verabela August 12, 2010 1:50 pm  

Hi all,
Useful blog, and great comments so far. I am moving to BsAs for a year, taking some postgraduate courses at UBA, and was wondering what neighborhoods you may suggest. I dont enjoy new developments or neighborhoods that are too tidy, high-so, or posh. I was hoping to settle somewhere with older architecture, traditional, colorful houses, street cafes, tall trees...a bit of a flair, I suppose. I have been living in Chiang Mai, Thailand for over a year now, and hope to find a new lively home. Any suggestions? Proximity to Cordoba would be preferable as that is where my faculty will be..Thanks a bunch!
Vera

Quickroute August 12, 2010 2:06 pm  

@ Vera - I highly recommend the barrio of San Telmo which has everything you mentioned and is close to UBA

Sonu August 23, 2010 7:47 am  

I had received a Job offer from a IT company in Argentina. I have been asked to provide the expected salary for the position of Windows System Administrator. Can someone please let me know about the standard/average salary of a Windows System Administrator over there who is holding more than 5 years of experience?

It would be easy for me to negotiate with them if I have this information.

I am from India. Thanks in advance.

Quickroute August 23, 2010 7:18 pm  

@ Sonu: I would ask for 10,000 pesos a month - They will probably offer somewhere from 5,000-7,000 - you would be comfortable living on 8,000 per month

MM,  September 26, 2010 9:06 pm  

I spent three weeks in "Malos Aires" before I decided to check out the other cities.

The crime rate in Bs.As. in unbelievable; I was almost pick-pocketed twice and a group of American college exchange students I met on the plane coming here, I met again and about half of them has had something stolen from them; a purse, a laptop, a wallet etc.

Go to the other cities; they're a lot nicer, sweeter and you can trust them more (you don't always have to count your change). The Portenos will sh!t on you if you let them.

The police are for sale here and I trust the government about as far as I can throw it.

Also, beware of other ex-pat Americans down in Buenos Aires. They're either really drunk and obnoxious or they're on the run from the law back in the States. One suggested I get into the drug trade as I could easily pay the police off.

Quickroute September 26, 2010 9:10 pm  

@ MM: Sorry to hear you had a bad time in BA. You certainly need to be on your guard but general common sense will usually prevail to avoid being shafted - come back and comment here and let us know how you fare in the other cities

Anonymous,  October 13, 2010 4:15 pm  

@Quickroute
Hi
I'm planning to relocate to Bs As from east. I just want to know is 5000pesos per month is good enough for a single man to live there?

Quickroute October 13, 2010 8:15 pm  

@ Anonymous: Depends on many factors - location - expectations for quality of life - eating out - etc - provide more info and I can answer

Anonymous,  October 14, 2010 1:25 pm  

@Quickroute
Thank you very much for your response. Well, My office is located near Gorostiaga 2355
Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires, Capital Federal, Argentina. And i've no idea about this place. so i might rent out a room/apartment near by or so. I'm a vegetarian and mostly prefer home food. And no boozing and smoking. Kind of workaholic.

Thanks again for your help.

Quickroute October 15, 2010 8:18 pm  

@ Anonymous: - That area is ok - yes - you'll be fine on 5,000 pesos a month. Try and connect with fellow countrymen before you arrive via online forums etc who can help and advise you. - good luck!

Anonymous,  October 15, 2010 10:03 pm  

@Quickroute
Thanks for your reply mate. That was really helpful.

Anonymous,  October 27, 2010 10:29 am  

Hello; I have been extended a job offer by an IT company in BA, as a senior systems engineer. The salary is A$ 13k gross, monthly.
Is this a good salary for a single person to live a very comfortable life in BA? I plan to work hard but also party hard. As a single person, I will want to eat out almost every day, movies, shows, dating, etc.

At the moment, I command a good salary in the US (over 100k) and would like to have the same life style in BS. Will the 13k allow it? will this pay for a nice furnished apartment in either Recoleta or Palermo and include eating out and night life? I believe that I can negotiate this offer if need be. Any suggestions/information will be appreciated.

Thank you

Andrew

Quickroute October 27, 2010 7:12 pm  

@ Andrew: - You should be very comfortable on that salary with a 3 caveats. Location, Location, Location.

Recoleta prices for apartments (especially furnished) and restaurants are similar to some cities in the USA. Palermo is better value but still expensive compared to other areas like San Telmo.

Eating out every night is possible as long as you avoid the tourist / upscale joints.

Everything is negotiable in BA so haggle like a local. If this is a short term contract - Ask if your employer can pick up the tab for accommodation. If it is 12 months or more then try and get your employers help to arrange a lease as locals are charged a fraction of what tourists pay. - Enjoy!

Anonymous,  October 27, 2010 9:42 pm  

thank you for the quick response as this information is important to me.

The reason why I mentioned Recoleta and Palermo is because I visited BA last year and obviously as a tourist, fell in love with these areas of the city. I am fully aware that they are tourist traps.

The offer that is being extended to me is not a temporary position but a permanent one. This is why I need to have as much information as possible before accepting the offer. I leave much behind and don't want to regret anything later on. At the same time, I am excited to have the chance to live/work in BA. I am fluent in both English & Spanish and bring much to the table so I am planing on negotiating a higher salary if possible. Please don't get the wrong impression; I just don't want to sell myself short.

The company will assist with relocation and will also help me secure an apartment for the first 6 months. I have many questions to ask for the present time and future and perhaps this forum is not the right avenue. Will it be possible to contact you directly via e-mail or phone?

I have spent much time reviewing many websites and this is the best information that I have obtained so far.

thank you again

Andrew

Quickroute October 27, 2010 9:45 pm  

@ Andrew - feel free to use the 'Contact Me' Link on my site - (top border)

Anonymous,  October 29, 2010 12:54 pm  

Hello,

I have referred to this site for nearly a year during my preparation to move to Buenos Aires in December, it has proven to be an invaluable resource for information so thank you for all of your time and effort.

I want to take Spanish language courses at the University of Buenos Aires starting in January, but wanted to make sure I have everything in order to be able to enroll. From the consulates and federal websites it seems to be a pretty simple process but if you know a strict list that has to be followed that would help. I have graduated University.

Transcripts, Document of good behavior, Local address, pre- requisites, Visa?

UBA has a course starting the beginning of January, what type of timeframe should I allow myself to make sure there are no kinks?

Thanks for any information

Anonymous,  October 31, 2010 10:05 am  

hi im from england me and my girlfriend are coming out to buenos aires hotel and flights we have already paid. we will will be there a week. will something in the region of £1200 i think which is like 7000 pesos be enough, hoping to take in the sights and eat out everynight in a nice resturant, also its her 30th birthday while we are there would love any recomendations for like a really special place to take her one night. be good to hear back any advice feedback if its too much too little, also is it best to change up to ARS or usd thanks once again

Quickroute November 03, 2010 10:14 pm  

@ Anony - enrolling in UBA: Usually the only restriction is registering in time in person subject to student number restrictions so show up early on the dates they advise - go in person beforehand and speak to someone about specifics before the official deadline - good luck!

Quickroute November 03, 2010 10:14 pm  

@Shaun,

You will be more than fine with 7000 pesos. Eating out is cheap especially if you like STEAK and wine - Take her to a Tango show for her birthday - this one in San Telmo is very good - google "La Ventana Tango Show" - You a little ARS but you can bring USD and change into ARS there - Take a trip to Tigre on the coast train on a Sunday - Enjoy!

Joe Johnson,  November 04, 2010 11:05 pm  

Excellent site, buddy. Thanks for all of the information...

It seems like there's a pretty strong IT demand in AR. How's the demand for people with B2B backgrounds (eg. PBX phone systems, computer networking / security, computer repair, darn near anything Linux related, Web Design / Development)?

Could you recommend a job site or head hunter service?

I was initially looking at BA, but I'm only making about a$ 1,200 / mo. from my website, right now. I'm hoping to relocate so I can focus more time on my business and less time on living check to check. With that being said, could you name a few other bustling business centers that are in need of IT employees?

Thank you for your time.

--
Brief aside: The Captcha security phrase for me is, "pothed". They must have been stoned when they added that one to the list... lol.

Quickroute November 05, 2010 7:36 pm  

@Joe:

IBM are one of the biggest IT recruiters in BA - I don't have a contact but suggest you contact their BA branch directly. Here's a link to their recruitment website

http://bit.ly/af9mqp

Try sending your resume/CV and see what happens - good luck!

alexandra November 23, 2010 12:40 am  

I'm actually working on a project for school based on the idea of bringing Netflix into Argentina and I'm looking for the average movie rental prices. I'm happy I stumbled upon your blog! Are the prices still accurate?
Also, would you happen to know how Musimundo works and its average prices for their services in terms of movie rentals? I can't seem to find any info on them and their website is not working for me...Anyways, any info would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!

Quickroute November 23, 2010 7:13 pm  

@ Alexandra: Add about 25% - google "Musimundo rent movie" there's an article in English from a blog up top with prices / review of service

alexandra November 24, 2010 11:14 am  

Yes, I had already found this article, but thank you! :)
Thank you for your help!

Anonymous,  November 26, 2010 1:47 am  

Hi Everyone, I am being offered 10500 Pesos for an IT job in BA can you share your exp to help me understand how much can i save if I relocate to BA with my Spouse and live a comfortable living the company would assist in availing the lease for home by providing the local Guarantee...

Anonymous,  November 26, 2010 2:14 am  

Hi Everyone, I am being offered 10500 Pesos for an IT job in BA can you share your exp to help me understand how much can i save if I relocate to BA with my Spouse and live a comfortable living the company would assist in availing the lease for home by providing the local Guarantee...

Quickroute November 26, 2010 11:11 am  

@ Anony: 10,500 is a decent salary and the fact that they will assist you with accomo is a plus. You'll likely have a comfortable living but in terms of savings - pesos don't convert favorably back into most other currencies so just bare that in mind when it comes time to visit or return to your home country

Anonymous,  November 27, 2010 4:35 am  

Thanks Quickroute

Sarra,  November 30, 2010 8:48 pm  

Hi,

I will be coming to BA on the 3rd of January, 2011 for two weeks (spending the new year in Punta :)) and looking for short term apartment rentals ...do they exist for such a short time? Two full weeks. (leaving 16). Thank you for your help!

Quickroute November 30, 2010 9:10 pm  

@ Sarra: 2 week apt rentals are possible but expect to pay a premium (at this late stage) near or more than hotel prices for Xmas (sorry I don't endorse specific companies on this site) but google a few and reference Tripadvisor also

Tomás,  December 23, 2010 4:53 am  

I'm studying March-July at Universidad de Belgrano. I'm exploring housing options. A shared apartment through the university for $475/mo. A residence hall near congreso (azul residencia universitaria) for $400/mo. And an apartment I found on my own to share for $290/mo. near the university services included. After I pay rent (assuming $400.) I would have about $1200 to live on per month. (All prices in USD of course by the way). I hope to take excursions and go out and have a good time a lot. Does this sound possible on this budget? $1200/mo. after rent?
Some excursions I've investigated: Colonia & Montevideo, Uruguay.
Santiago de Chile.
Códoba.
Mar del Plata.
Iguazú.

I'm not saying I'm going to do all these but I'd like to.

Anyways, I hope to hear a response. Gracias y cordiales saludos.

Quickroute December 23, 2010 10:49 am  

@ Tomás - u$d1200 is more than most office workers earn per month so yes you'll be very comfortable on that and will be able travel also - Suerte Bien

Anonymous,  January 06, 2011 9:33 pm  

Thanks so much for this site.

I read this post a little over 6 months ago and it greatly influenced how I'm making our cost of living data available as we travel through Central America. Check the summaries at http://mondayorsomething.wordpress.com if you're interested. The first 3 are up and the 4th (San Juan del Sur, Nicaragua) should be before too long.

Julie,  February 04, 2011 12:49 pm  

Hello!
great info. Quick question, is the price table that you have on this page still updated as of 2011? I hear the inflation on prices is crazy, how true is that?
Looking to possibly move to either Mendoza or BA, would Mendoza prices be significantly cheaper?

Thanks :)

Quickroute February 05, 2011 5:42 pm  

@ Julie: Inflation is rampant at the moment so add 30% to the above table - Mendoza would be cheaper for property but the same for food

Anonymous,  March 09, 2011 11:07 am  

Hola,One question.My income is 2200 USD PER MONTH.What can that do in a place like Los Toldas?

Quickroute March 09, 2011 6:40 pm  

@ Anony: - With a modest lifestyle you would be very comfortable on that

Marie May 23, 2011 9:33 pm  

This is a great site! I am a single woman in her 40's thinking about coming to BA in two weeks for about a month. I'd like to rent a small one bedroom apartment and there are several advertised online VRBO etc that look nice. Would I be better off getting a hotel for a few days and finding one when I get there? I've already narrowed down the neighborhoods thanks to you! Also, you have mentioned inflation has been rampant. What is happening lately? Thank you very much!

Quickroute May 24, 2011 12:18 am  

@ Marie: Depending on your budget - I would recommend you stay in a Hotel for a few days. Inflation is rampant but prices listed here are still accurate.

MM,  May 30, 2011 3:21 pm  

Well, after spending a few months in Bs.As. and the rest of la Argentina, I have to say it depends on what you like. As for quality of life, all cities are miniature versions of C.F. except things cost a bit more; in Bs.As.: Quilemes was 4 pesos; in Bariloche, it was 6 pesos.

Most Argies don't like Portenos, especially in MDP. They consider them to be "Boludos", but that's the way life is in a large city.

As for crime, well, if you're strong with them, and project that, no problems. The Argies don't like problems. Besides once you're in the barrio for a while, they know you and you no longer have to count your change as much and the local thugs leave you alone.

If you only stay in Bs.As., you're missing out on a place that's wonderful. If you must work in Bs.As. then do so but spend your weekends and holidays in the many other places that is there.

Also, the Argies complain alot and exaggerate on crime. I lived in Mosserrat and regularly walked and shopped at Consititucion and La Boca and had no problems.

I decided to come back to the US because that's where the money is; I could either make a few hundred USD teaching English a month or I could make over a thousand a month working at McDonald's in the US.

Though, I would love to retire in Argentina (Bs.As. is nice to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there), the US is where the money is.

And if you exclude the thousand-dollar cost of my plane ticket, I only spent $3500USD there.

Quickroute May 30, 2011 8:28 pm  

@ MM: Good to hear from you again and that you seem to have had a mostly positive experience - how long did your entire trip last?

Anonymous,  June 01, 2011 8:05 am  

Hi, I'm considering a move to Buenos Aires. I've got a few questions if I may.
I have a friend over there who says he pays very high prices for an internet connection. He lives in the Capital Federal district and he has a 3 meg connection with Fibretel. What's the typical monthly cost of this?
I'd be teaching English as a TEFL teacher- any ideas on employment prospects doing this?
I'm planning on going over for a holiday soon and I'm looking for affordable places to rent. Do you have any recommendations for internet sites or places to look?

Cheers ;)

Quickroute June 01, 2011 6:33 pm  

@ Anony: Internet price is listed in the above post. Employment prospects for teachers has been addressed numerous times in the comments above as have rent strategies - pls review and then post your Questions - thnx

ned June 21, 2011 8:42 am  

Does the government have a handle on inflation or will it continue to rise at a rate of 30% (unofficial)?

And will the AR$ continue to slide?

Thanks,

Ned

Quickroute June 21, 2011 8:43 pm  

@ Ned: The Gov seem to have no desire to control inflation and it will continue to rise rapidly and the AR$ will likely slide further although recent indicators indicate the economy is growing / improving gradually

Anonymous,  July 12, 2011 12:53 pm  

i am going to uruguay october 7th, arriving in BA the 8th.
i don't know ba at all, so i have a couple of questions. thinking of spending the 8th in ba and then catching the buquebus to montevideo next day.
what would be the apr.cost of a taxi or remis to a hotel close to buquebus terminal?
is the terminal downtown?
any recomendation for a not to expensive hotel?
muchas gracias!!! erich

Quickroute July 12, 2011 6:20 pm  

@Anony:It seems a shame to come all the way to BA and only spend a night - so much to see and do.

Taxi from airport (EZE) to center will cost about 120 pesos or u$d30. - book it at the taxi desk in arrivals.
The Buquebus terminal is in Puerto Madero which is an expensive area to stay in.

Hotels are expensive in BA and the cheaper options are bad. Try Home Hotel which is a boutique hotel but will be worth the little extra

amit July 22, 2011 1:18 pm  

Hello,

I am from India, First off all its gr8 to see so much of info from one site, hey I want to know about the studio flat in nice apartment in Buenos aires(not in tourist hot spot, but a nicer place or near by the main city area), I want this info of furnished studio room with aircon, tv, Internet like features. hope to hear from you soon.

Amit

Quickroute July 27, 2011 8:54 am  

@amit: the short term and long term rental details are posted above - subtract ~20% for a studio vs a 1 bedroom

Anonymous,  September 06, 2011 11:56 am  

Do you know where I can find the average rate salary in BsAs? My company offers me a job as a team leader but I want to be sure that it's a good offer and that I'm able to live well with my spouse.

Great and useful page

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) September 06, 2011 11:59 am  

@ Anony:

There are no published salary rates that I am aware of. You will find some benchmarks for specific jobs in the comments above

Lyonheart September 10, 2011 4:24 pm  

Hello!Just stumbled across your blog, it's pretty cool!

I just wondered if you have any idea where I can buy rolling tobacco in Buenos Aires? I have not come across it at all and have about ten more rollies left before I am forced to go cold turkey!

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) September 10, 2011 8:10 pm  

@ Lyonheart: a local expat in the comments above mentions 'cerritos tobacco (from Uruguay)' which you should be able to buy in a kiosko or tobacco store - maybe do a day trip to Colonia and buy in bulk

Anonymous,  September 16, 2011 8:17 pm  

couple of questions please.
any idea of the cost for a remise from ezeiza to martinez?
can one buy a ticket to the buquebus at the airport?
how much should i tip a bagage handler? a cab driver? etc
thanks for you help.

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) September 17, 2011 11:48 am  

@ Anony:

any idea of the cost for a remise from ezeiza to martinez? - Not sure - go to the official taxi desk at the airport and ask

can one buy a ticket to the buquebus at the airport? I don't think so but you can buy online http://www.buquebus.com

how much should i tip a bagage handler? 1 peso per bag

a cab driver? - tipping cab drivers is not customary

MM,  October 01, 2011 6:36 pm  

I used a company called, "Lyonese" or something like that; it was 50AR$ and they took me right to the hostel.

@Quickroute: I was there for three months. Bs.As.(Palermo & Mosserat) -> Tigre -> Rosario -> Parana -> P. Iguazu -> Mar Del Plata -> P. Madyrin -> Bariloche -> Mendoza -> Return to Bs.As(Recoleta) and to EZE.

Anonymous,  November 23, 2011 2:39 pm  

Hello, your blog is a great source of information. Sorry a little off topic

If you are an Argentine are you able to purchase items online with a credit or debit card using paypal?

Do you know any of the restrictions that are placed on them?

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) November 23, 2011 6:56 pm  

@Anony: PayPal is available for Argentines and I'm not aware of any restrictions

arch,  December 13, 2011 5:26 pm  

I am a English teacher in BsAs and have been working in Banco Galicia for the past year under a private boss who has clients within.

You say that 40 pesos is on the low end of the salary scale, well that suprised me because that is what I am making. I thought I was making a bit more than most but your cost calculator says differently.

I have a college degree, and a certificate, what do you feel is a fair bump in salary? Is 50 or 60 pesos to much to task especially with rising inflation? Because at this point I am contemplating moving jobs to something with a bit more money and stability.

Thanks

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) December 13, 2011 11:17 pm  

@ Arch: Considering your qualifications and the fact you are working for a bank client I think 50-60 pesos would be the minimum you should ask for - Inflation affects you too - Suerte

Jason,  December 28, 2011 2:26 pm  

This has been really helpful! Thank you for all your efforts!

I am planning a vacation to South America in a couple months with Argentina and Brazil being my main attractions. I've always wanted to see BA and am getting excited. Your cost calculators have set me at ease a little.

My biggest concern is what to do once I'm there. This will be my first trip to South America and the only Spanish I know is "yo quiro taco bell," which tends to make my Latin American friends angry, so I'll stick with no Spanish while I'm there.

What would be the chances of getting a more unofficial tour guide? I don't want to just hit the tourist traps and I want to have fun. Is there a way you would recommend fixing this problem before I get there or should I just walk around talking to myself in English until someone answers and ask them to show me around? I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable fee, but I can imagine the fee could be awfully high in a tourist trap area. Plus, I'd like it to be someone who will show me the bars instead of the churches. I would also like to see areas other than BA while I'm there. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Jason

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) December 28, 2011 7:07 pm  

@ Jason: I recommend you sign up with couchsurfing.org - In addition to offering a free place to stay (optional) -you can just opt in for cultural exchange i.e. to meet a local who speaks English and chit chat about what to see and do. The local gets to practice their English. You get to practice a little Spanish (optional) and they can recommend the non tourist traps and places to go out etc. If you offer to pick up the tab for lunch or dinner you will get a more willing host - enjoy!

MM,  January 02, 2012 10:05 pm  

@Jason: stay at one of the many hostels in Palermo, San Telma and Recoleta; you're bound to run into to other Americans, Europeans and Brazilians all whom would love to speak English to you. It also can't hurt to know a bit of Argie-Spanish; you'll pick it up if you try.

And there are no tacos in Bs.As. well, not real tacos. Hunting down Rapidillas and picantes is a task!

---
Question: Is the medical free for foreigners as well? Here's my thinking, it's about a grand to fly to C.F.Bs.As. from the States; I'm so POed about the health care in the US that I'm thinking of going to Bs.As. for medical care. Is that a good idea?

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) January 02, 2012 11:32 pm  
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Paddy in BA (Quickroute) January 02, 2012 11:38 pm  

@MM: Unless it's an emergency the medical is not free and even it was I would not recommend the free medical over private healthcare. Many people visit for dental work however which is a fraction of the cost in USA

A och L January 07, 2012 5:05 pm  

We are planing to stay in BA for 6 months with our kid. I've lived in Caracas, Venezuela and I wouldn't bring my child near that city. How is the safety situation in BA, kidnappings, robbings?

What areas of the cities are safest to live in?

Alex

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) January 07, 2012 5:55 pm  

@ Alex: Robbings are common (mostly motorbike grab n' run style) - kidnappings are not common but as with any South American capital city not unheard of. I've visited Caracas and I would say BA is much much safer. I recommend San Telmo or Palermo as an area to stay

Dennis Gearon January 10, 2012 9:05 pm  

I am interested in moving there in 8.5 years (age 62 and social security).

My main reason for going to Argentina is Argentine Tango. I dance Salsa and Tango. I would love to marry a Tangera :-)

So, my questions are:
A/ What kind of money do electricians make in BAs?
B/ The cheaper neighborhoods listed here? How close are they to good studios and nightclubs for dancing?

Exercise, simple and cheap homecooked food, dancing, Internet, working with kids, and possibly teaching English are my only vices.

I could live easily in a one room apartment, unless I was married.

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) January 10, 2012 9:53 pm  

@ Dennis: not sure about electrician salary but figure 20% of USA / Europe salary.

San Telmo is close to a few Milongas - head over to http://tangocherie.blogspot.com/ and ask Tango specific questions - tell her I sent you.

Anonymous,  January 12, 2012 1:33 am  

Hi guys

Hi My name is Tabs

I was just wondering how much spending money I would need to bring with me to BA for 3 weeks,I have already booked and payed for an apartment in Palermo near Alto Palermo shopping centre (Is that a good area?), also I will probably be eating out most nights and do some sight seeing, any rough ideas.

Thanks

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) January 13, 2012 2:13 pm  

@ Tabs: It depends on where you eat and what sights you see but with modest tastes u$d50 per day excl accomo you should be fine

Anonymous,  January 29, 2012 6:09 pm  

I am presently living in Uruguay and finding it very expensive, specially rent and food. Also the price of a used car is ridiculous.
My question is, how confortably can I live in Argentina with 1800 dollars per month(pension)?
What part of Buenos Aires is considered a good area?
Or would I be better off to go to a smaller city?
Thanks!!

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) January 29, 2012 6:58 pm  

@ Anony: I think you can be comfortable on that based on the existing cost of living. Inflation is a problem so it's difficult to say if you will be fine 5 years from know. A smaller city would offer much cheaper accommodation but less to see and do. It really depends on what you are looking for and/or what compromises you are prepared to make

MM,  February 07, 2012 5:55 pm  

@Anon a Urguay: Stay out of the touristy areas and things cost less; I recommend living in Tigre; Bs. As. is just a train ride away. I was living off of about $1200USD a month. But, I lived like a porteno and not like a tourist. I rarely ate out and prepared my own meals which were usually well under five USD a day including beer and wine. I also recommend Olivos area as well. The center of the city (San Telma), is where the crime is; more people, more problems.

The other cities I rec. are MDP, Bariloche and P.Madryn. Bs.As. was nice to visit, but it gets on you after a while. Rosario and Parana are nice, but they're just small version of capital federal with less going on. MDP and Bariloche have the sea and mountains and more pleasant scenery than rows of buildings and buses.

@Tabs: Alto Palermo is a nice area. And you probably over-paid for your apartment.

Anonymous,  February 21, 2012 3:51 pm  

thank you guys,i forgot to say that i am uruguayan, and just got back here 5 months ago from canada.
i am still deciding what to do. mdp is a place i would consider.
i just heard that the price for electricity just went up something like 300 %, is it true?
mm, i would not live like a tourist, i like to, but can't afford it.
thanks again, i'll probably be back with more cuestions when i make up my mind on what to do!

Vaibhav Jindal March 20, 2012 2:52 pm  

Hello,

I am going to get shifted to Argentina in December 2012 with my wife.

I will be working in Capgemini India Pvt Ltd. and my Argentina colleague told me that to live in Bueneos Aires will be good for me to stay.

My question is where I need to stay in Bueneos Aires,where I can get apartment security and what will be the cost of livings like

1).1 Bed room rent(Fully Furnished).
2).Electricity.
3).Gas
4).Internet
5)Mobile ISD calls.
6).Transport
7).Grocery(Veg items-> I want to cook everything at home).
8).Any other thing which I missed.

Thanks a lot in advance.
8).

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) March 20, 2012 10:34 pm  

@Vaibhav

Please read the info in the post above including the spreadsheet with cost of goods and services as most of your questions are answered there and also in the comments

Martin Barbe April 21, 2012 6:22 pm  
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Anonymous,  April 21, 2012 6:32 pm  

hello,
I will be going to Argentina in June 2012 for a few weeks. I was thinking of taking the opportunity to stop at the dentist since I have some major repairs to do and I want to save some money. I was thinking of doing this in BA, however; if I can get the same kind of service anywhere else in Argentina, I would have no problem doing the trip.
-What can you tell me about dentistry in BA? (sanitary standards, competency)
-do you know any dental office that you would recommend?
Thanks for your reply

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) April 22, 2012 10:13 am  

@ Anony: Dentistry is on a par if not better than those in North America / EU in terms of (sanitary standards, competency. Use the Contact Me button up top and I can send you a the name of a recommended dentist.

Anonymous,  May 10, 2012 1:36 pm  

Hi, first of all thank you for putting together a great forum... very informative! I wanted to know if you´re cost of living chart would be accurate to date (says april 2011) or have cost increases made a significant jump, particularly on rent?

Having visited before on vacations, now I want to come back and spend some real time living in the big city, at least 6 months.

What might you suggest as the best route for finding an apartment without getting gouged on price? And, what do they usually require to put together a lease?

I´m from the us, but have been living in central america for 5 years and speak decent spanish, if that helps any.

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) May 10, 2012 8:43 pm  

@ Anony: Wait until you arrive and see places in person before you rent

If you want a cheaper rate head to a real estate agent in a non touristy area e.g. Caballito and be prepared to pay 6 months in advance to secure a local rate

Anonymous,  May 27, 2012 11:41 am  

Hi!

First I have to say that this forum has been very helpful for me :)

Now I have some questions... I want to come to study to BA university and I would like to know how is here with scholarships because I've read on internet that is free of charge, also for foreigners?! And how is with visa I mean what is a procedure for a foreign student to study in BA? And also what is a price for a studio apartment to rent some where in the city (good location)? And the last question I have it is how hard is for a student to find a temporarily job, such as waiter?
Thank for your reply :)

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) May 27, 2012 10:34 pm  

@Anony: Try this for your Study related Q's http://www.uba.ar/ingles/index02.php

Rental costs are covered in the post above as are jobs in the comments.

Grayson,  June 21, 2012 6:32 am  

Is the local price for rent a legal thing that you have to go through the goverment, or can you just go straight to the landlord and tell him that you are living there permanently?

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) June 21, 2012 8:33 am  

@ Grayson: technically it is for locals who have a relative guarantee they will pay the rent but if you tell the landlord you will pay 6 months in advance you can get the local rate in a non touristy location

Mariel,  June 22, 2012 12:06 pm  

I will be studying Spanish at the Universidad de Palermo March - July 2013. I don't want to be very far from the university. Don't want to spend more than USD500. Preferably not in a shady area. What are some good areas and what are housing options? Apartment... Stay with a family...hostel... I'm completely up for exploring my options! Thanks for your help!

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) June 22, 2012 12:13 pm  

@ Mariel: You could share an apt in Palermo near the Uni pretty cheaply - book a hostel for the first few days and then go and see places in person using http://buenosaires.en.craigslist.org/hhh/

Erica,  September 08, 2012 11:09 pm  

Hello!


I just did a google search for "cost of living in Argentina" and came across your blog article on it. I have a passion for travel and got back about 6 months ago from a year of teaching ESL and traveling East Asia. I am beyond eager to get out and do something again, and I've been researching different ESL programs (I really enjoyed teaching English while I was living abroad and would like to do the same again). I found a program that provides housing and meals in Argentina, and then a monthly stipend of 500 Argentine pesos. I know this isn't much, but I was wondering if you could help me figure out how much extra money I'd want to bring. How far can just 500 pesos actually go? (when meals and housing are provided). How expensive is traveling within country? How are the Argentine people?

I apologize is most of this has been answered in your blog. I just found it and I've got to run to work, but I appreciate any help you can give! And I promise to check out more of your blog later!

Thanks,

Erica

Paddy in BA (Quickroute) September 08, 2012 11:10 pm  

@ Erica: Thanks for your email.
As an ESL teacher you know you need to do your homework so pls read the blog then feel free to ask questions

best regards, Paddy

Anonymous,  September 23, 2012 4:47 am  

Hi there, thanks for a fantastic blog full of wonderful information. We are a same sex (female) couple with two children who are 3 and 2 years old. We ate planning a move to south America and are tossing up between Santiago and BA. We are looking for somewhere safe, family friendly and central. We will spend about 6 months in the city, with numerous trips to other parts of argentina and the surrounding countries. We would like to rent a decent, spacious apartment in a nice safe neighbourhood where we and are children are least likely to feel unwanted negative reactions from locals in relation to us being a same sex family. We have a regular income in Australian dollars which will continue while we are traveling. My questions are: what is the best neighbourhood for our family in your opinion? How much should we pay for a 2 bed apartment of the above description. Close to parks is a bonus for the kids. The kids won't require any education as they are too young. We like to cook for ourselves five out of seven nights and don't spend much on entertainment/going out due to having young kids. Most of our money here is spent on food, rent and domestic travel and we would have a similar focus there. Would you mind giving me your opinion/advice on the above? Thanks in advance! Cheers

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